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these issues, if they don't scale back the cliff and raise the debt ceiling and address long-term fiscal issues we have a huge problem on ourselves hands. i think the political star are aligned. the president has his legacy. he's a second-term president and i think he really wants to address this and i think the republicans want to address it as well. so i think we'll get it together. >> schieffer: underline for me again, what happens if they don't get a deal? number one, taxes go up for everybody. >> yeah. so the first thing that happens on january 1, everybody's tax rate-- everybody, everybody in this room, across america-- tax rates will go up >> because the bush tax cuts expire. >> because the bush-era tax cuts expire and everybody's tax rates go up. and then we have a boat load of spending cuts. as part of various deals we have a big cut to defense budget, nondefense. add up it it's 4.5% of the nation's g.d.p. that jus evaporates. >> schieffer: what do you, will happen? >> i didn't believe we would get as close to the wire. i sit in exphurk and look from the mark's perspective. i think the
the fiscal cliff and we see continued problems on the debt side for the u.s., i think the gold price outperforms the white metals. >> reporter: gold's price will also depend on whether central banks continue to diversify their holdings into gold, and whether they implement more quantitative easing to boost growth. the outlook for platinum is a little more complicated. there have been major supply disruptions due to labor unrest in south africa, which produces nearly all of the world's platinum. it also depends on demand. >> europe is a key part of the platinum demand picture. if europe can recover, certainly that's going to bode well for platinum demand. if the price trades higher, it may affect some of the price- sensitive sectors like jewelry, like chinese jewelry demand. >> reporter: of course, many investors only buy metals for investment reasons. currently, there's over $150 billion invested in gold exchange-traded funds, an all- time high. erika miller, nbr, new york. >> tom: the broad market drifted higher with one eye on economic data and the other on washington. the s&p 500
are in tough economic times, fiscal cliff, the massive not only federal but state level debts at all-time high, the middle east crisis going on. p think will be tough sledding for a few years and tough for businesses to grow top line. they will focus on the bottom line ann expenses and texas can offer a great opportunity for them to have a lower cost of production and wages, lower cost of office space. also a situation where office construction is at a 50 year low so it is simple economics. increasing demand, limited supply, returns will be higher. liz: the traditional investor always looks at 60% stocks, 40% bonds. you said don't do that. look at alternative investments. there are better ways to get yields. >> i agree. especially if you're a long-term investor like a pension plan or individual with 401(k) or retirement accounts. if you have five years, you should look at liquid assets like private equity and real estate. many private equity firms are now starting to tap into individuals and giving them alternatives to invest whereas historically it has only been available to institutions. rea
's fiscal cliff offer spurned by republicans. obama takes hard line on debt. which might be news to some people in the parenthetical. tony is a political correspondent and mark hannah is a former aide to the john kerry and barack obama presidential campaigns. some of the media tries to short form the story and comes up with a headline that can be barbed easily. this is suggested by a cable anchor who suggested the media has been arrogant since barack obama won in covering him and in covering in particular this fiscal cliff. tony, your thoughts. >> it could only be an msnbc anchor to take this long to figure out. there have been some media, the financial times which endorsed the president has called the president's bluff on this plan. they say this is the same proposal he put in front of congress that received zero votes a year ago, not even one democratic vote. but what the media has been doing is buying into this story line that president obama has some sort of mandate to do whatever he wants and that is truly false. obviously he has been given more time, but not to ram through an agend
% now and therefore avoid the fiscal cliff and put off for now the top 2%. and the question then, let the debt ceiling not take effect. a tax cut delayed i argue is a tax cut avoided. joining me with the republican defense highly tauted fan of the eagles, ed rendell and alex wagner of msnbc's "now." governor, i want you to read what's going on here. first speaker boehner defended the gop's tax proposal saying it does take a bite out of the rich but president obama held firm to tax rate hike on the wealthiest. let's listen to the back and forth. >> revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates, which we believe will harm our economy. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%, that includes all of you, yes. but not in any way that's going to affect your spending, your lifestyles, or the economy in any significant way. let's make sure that 98% of americans don't see it -- a single dime in tax
malandrino with the street.com. >> susie: tomorrow on "n.b.r." we continue our focus on the fiscal cliff, we talk with maya macguineas, of "fix the debt", as her group meets with lawmakers to talk tax and health care reform. also tomorrow, toll brothers reports earnings, and pandora, the internet radio site is also out with quarterly results. and finally tonight, we want to remind you about a special guest on "n.b.r.," later this week. "n.b.r." founding co-anchor, paul kangas will join us on thursday night, december 6. we'll talk about the markets, and he'll answer some of your questions. that's thursday, december 6. you can submit your questions on facebook or twitter, at "bizrpt." >> tom, the questions are just flowing in, we have enough to fill a half hour with paul. so i think it's going to be really a lot of fun. >> tom: it will be. lots of questions about stock market technology. one asking paul, will the dow hit 8,000 or 18,000. also some maritime matters, what sailor paul has done throughout his career and a little bit of conversation about the boat business maybe. >> susie: yeah, he
insistence that key to the u.s. beginning to pay down its debt and avoid going over the fiscal cliff is raising tax rates on the wealthiest americans. >> we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up, and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> reporter: if republicans agree to do that, the president told bloomberg television, he'll agree to serious spending cuts. republicans have offered to raise taxes on higher incomes by $800 billion, not by raising tax rates, but by eliminating some deductions and loopholes. during last year's budget showdown, the president said he wanted to do exactly that. >> what we said was give us $1.2 trillion in additional revenues, which could be accomplished without hiking tax rates, but could simply be accomplished by eliminating loopholes, eliminating some deductions and engaging in a tax reform process that could have lowered rates generally while broadening the base. >> reporter: but now the president does not. he says it will not raise enough revenue. >> it's not me being stubborn. it's not me being partisan. it's just a m
. this is beyond fiscal cliff, this is a fiscal dive into i don't want to think where it can take us. >> some would say, if the dollar were not the international currency, we would have already been greece. >> sean: i brought up some ideas at the tkpweuplg of the program. i said okay, why don't we go for 200 billion in discretionary cuts to start, yes to entitlement reform, you agree? yes to serious tax reform? >> do i ever. when the president says fair share the perfect answer, flat tax. he has not made one pro bowsal that will have warren buffett paying the same as his secretary. it is called capital gains 15%. income tax is 15%. you make more, you pay more. you make less, you pay less. everybody pays their fair share. >> sean: same with value added tax after eliminating the fair tax is good, each one is progressive, the more you make, the more you spend. >> people get a flat tax. fair share, think flat tack. i'm starting to see forbes about it and listen this is what we ought to be doing. >> sean: where is the president? why the constant campaign? after every election there's a period when thing
are talking about the fiscal cliff. earlier today, president obama brought the debt ceiling debate, or would be debate into the picture. it feels like a lot of the work that you do -- people say okay, we spent 100 grand on this or maybe watching the shrimp on a treadmill. it's not a big deal. >> is a big deal because the way you eliminate a trillion dollar deficit is a billion dollars at a time. the wavy you get a billion dollars is 100 million or $10 llion at a time. so what is our excuse? can we say that it is okay to waste money and hundreds of thousands of small areas that add upo trillions of dollars? or do we have to look at big areas? what i would put forward is congress isn't doing their job and how they write it and oversight it. i still pick up anyof my feet on the ground because the penny is were 3.5 cents. anyone in america who is struggng today, we don't have the luxury of ignoring stupidity and waste anymore. charles: i have less than a minute. i have to squeeze this in here. you think we could be a transitional tranormative point in thisscountry where it is okay? where it is o
with business leaders again today to talk about the consequences of going over the fiscal cliff. he's also claiming to call on congressional leaders to make sure we raise the debt ceiling without contention. the white house making the case that extending the bush tax cuts for the middle class is directly connected to the health of our businesses. companies need to know consumers will be able to spend and in his first post-election interview president obama again rejected the house republican counteroffer that is on the table. >> unfortunately the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> let's hope he sticks to it. >> g.o.p. leaders aren't only dealing with the president and congressional democrats they're dealing with a split within their own ranks. more conservative republicans don't want party leaders to compromise anymore than they think they already have. even though the republican plan offers u
. >> and don luskin, is it better to own bonds during this fiscal cliff tiff? >> yes, december is the time to be risk off folks. the market's in complete denial. total complacency. the fiscal cliff will create a crisis like the debt ceiling negotiation did that led to the bottom 16 months ago. going to be another buying opportunity. but stocks will be significantly lower. by the way that's what creates buying opportunities. but face it it's going to happen. >> jim la camp, will the stock market vigilantes be necessary to get an agreement in washington? >> i think we're going to see more volatility. >> don and jim, thanks very much. >>> up next why the biggest headache right now for a baseball general manager might just be taxes and the fiscal cliff. don't tell me taxes don't matter. it even affects baseball all next on "kudlow." >>> dominos have a problem with obama care. they claim it forces them to post signs with nutritional information on every product. domino's says it's done the math. there are 34 million possible combinations costing thousands of dollars at each location which of co
. here we go with the fiscal cliff and the debt and now they vote down the disabilities act right in front of bob dole in a real wheelchair. we're just like wow. >> absolutely. if anyone wants to make a music video using this song as the background alluding to all of that stuff you're talking about you know, i'm not going to say no. >> stephanie: there you go. >> i can't speak for viacom's lawyers. >> stephanie: no. >> but i'm not going to say no. >> stephanie: here's a fun fact. co-wrote ten of the album songs. who is so handsome and rowic and talented. >> thank you. >> don't be a jerk dates from 2009. the joe wilson thing was happening. it just seemed like rudeness and you know, the lack of manners and civil discourses breaking down. you know, my cowriter, andy and i came up with this phrase, how about a song don't be a jerk, it's christmas. it wasn't jerk as you know, stephanie. it begins with a d and ends with a k and ends with flick but -- >> stephanie: yes. >> three years later it is a whole spongebo
to face this fiscal cliff, we're facing endless fights over debt ceilings from now on. there's going to be this regular thing, this, you know, veg-o-matic. we have to go through this whole thing. he's saying to the liberals who might be willing to go along with the deal, even if you go along with this, there will be more to pay in two months in february, then more a few months after that. he's making it very difficult for the president to convince his progressives, maybe we ought to give a little. if i give here on medicare, i'm going to have to give again in a month and another month. it looks horrible. the other side he's saying, this is going to be fun. maybe he's playing to his right wing crowd saying if we don't get a big apple bite this time, we'll get another bite next month. who is he playing to when he says we're going to have more trouble down the road? >> you have to remember the cross currents facing boehner include not just the tea party crazies but the right wing donor class is very hard right on this ideological issue of never seeing any tax increases. and the republic
in january. the president's warning republicans not to include any debt limit concessions in their fiscal cliff strategy. >>> we have had a lovely week around here. but it's time to get back to a little december reality. >> would you look at that. veronica has a look at another change coming our way. what about it, veronica? >> do you like that sunset? isn't that gorgeous? >> it's lovely. >> fiery red there on the horizon. and not a bad day. the wind picked up a bit. that northwesterly wind behind the cold front that came through very early this morning. high temps in fact for today, 60 degrees. that was at 5:00 a.m. we now stand in the mid-50s. pretty much falling temps all day. now 55 degrees. trinidad, and good afternoon to you folks in tyson's corner. up north, already in the 40s. kensington at 48, with temperatures dropping. and these winds have been rocking us today out of the northwest. still at 20-mile-per-hour gusts. those will be settling down. as that happens, it's going to get cold. subfreezing temperatures due by tomorrow morning. we're going to see the numbers really drop du
about the fiscal cliff, affordable care act, and the future of the republican party on book tv. the senator has written several reports, including his latest, the debt bomb. that is live sunday at noon eastern on book tv on c-span-2. >> now we talk to a capitol hill reporter about the senate's work on the defense authorization bill. >> the senate has been in a holding pattern on the defense authorization bill, but finally found a way to start consideration of amendments. what broke the logjam? >> rand paul had a desire to bring an amendment that would have applied sixth amendment rights to citizens who had been taken in the war on terror on u.s. homeland. he was concerned he would not get the time. senator mccain is the ranking member of the armed services committee. he assured him he would not try to block the amendment. alternately, senator dianne feinstein agreed to what senator paul favors. that amendment was approved. >> there were several other notable amendments to the bill. can you tell us about those? >> the iran sanctions amendment would limit the type of materials re
-term debt crisis, the so-called fiscal cliff, and i hope that we will, the debt in the years to come will increasingly dominate the budget. it will pressure defense and a in a serious way. so without addressing the long-term tenure solution as the animal outline, the defense budget is going to be under increasing pressure. that is inevitable and the interest rates have not even started going up, which is also inevitable at some point. the third one a month make is that the problems within the internal defense budget and the dynamics of this budget also make the problem more difficult and more complicated. it also requires a longer term to address some of these calls. first of all, the rising health care costs, and retirement costs and fuel inefficiency. each of those has their own complexities, but all are important. so the budget is going to have to be addressed, even if the topline is the one that is a rational topline. in other words, we have entitlements within the defense budget now which are comparable to the entitlements and all the snow we have to deal with outside the defens
fiscal cliff. since we had another fiscal cliff type scenario with the debt limit that credited the scenario that led to this, and this idea i voted against that, put bad things to happen at one time because that will force washington to do something. well, surprise, it didn't work. here we are, again, facing this. we have two issues to face. number one is in the immediate term avoid doing damage, and avoid doing harm, and so we need to look for a way to accomplish that in the short term. we have to, we have to, we have to have a conversation about getting the fiscal house in order. i heard bob talk about that. it's fundamentally true. spending a trillion dollars a year more than we take in. that's a fact. address it. i approach the issue with a following belief that the only way to get that in order is through rapid economic growth. there's no taxes you can raise to bring this debt down. what the president's proposing does not raise the revenue to make a significant dent on the debt, but it will make a didn't on job creation, particularly middle class job creation, and that's w
. president obama's first offer fiscal cliff, higher taxes, new spending and power over the debt spending. and offered by tim geithner who had tax problems in the past and today president obama is it at a toy factory campaigning for new taxes on the rich. and joining us is julia. >> hi. stuart: how are you. >> i'm great. stuart: i can't believe that you, as a regular american, want to do this to america, do you? >> i think it's because-- i don't think that this is exactly what what's going to happen. stuart: you don't think that the president will actually do this. >> no, no, i think the president has learned to negotiate. what the president would do, he would start with sort of half a loaf and negotiate and give the republicans about 75% of what they wanted. i think he's finally understood if you want to actually get to at least halfway, you have to start at extremes and meet halfway. republicans have done this all along. stuart: you agree with me, if this plan, anything like it from the president, were imposed on the economy at this time it would lead to recession. >> i think that the p
turn to the rest. >> right now we are facing a fiscal cliff. last year we were facing the debt ceiling. before that, we were looking at several potential government shutdowns. at a different level, the appropriations process has not worked as intended for years. neither has the budget process. it seems like abnormal is the normal. that type of activity in this situation where we are already looking ahead to the next potential showdown, as he suggested, with the next debt ceiling altercation, this creates uncertainty, which is not good for the private sector and certainly is not good for the federal government in terms of its ability to function in a normal way. how can congress break out of this? >> do what we are hired to do and to appropriations in a timely manner. in maryland, we have a lot of defense contractors very concerned about sequester. many of them say, warner, warner, a nuisance and-bowles. -- do simpson-bowles. everyone supports it, but no one has read it. but the top line numbers are almost the same -- next time you do a default, do not make it so awful. putting a gun to
ceiling. we saw the stock markets crash. let me tell you if we go off this fiscal cliff -- and i put the blame squarely on the president. he's been awol on this issue for the last three years. now he's coming in and waving a flag, trying to take the glory, put the burden on republicans. republicans have been willing to negotiate. if he doesn't come forward and provide real leadership, we go off the cliff, the economic disaster that we're going to see is going to be squarely on the shoulders of this president. >> sean: i would like to adopt something like the mac penny plan. cut one penny out of every dollar washington spends, and we move to a balanced budget. with baseline budgeting, you have increases every year. can you ever get rid of baseline budgeting? >> if any corporation in america operated the way the country does, they'd be broke in 90 days. it's a disaster. >> sean: but they don't have the ability to print more money. senator, thanks. >> always a pleasure, sean. >> sean: coming up, reaction to my interview with senator chambliss. later an egyptian court sentences seven chr
of santa barbara. we have gone over the fiscal cliff here in california. we are billions of dollars in debt. democrats and the labor unions are bankrupting this state. if the democratic party is so good, then why are we bankrupt? don't you think it's time the unions, instead of spending billions of dollars on political campaigns give that money back to the membership so they can maybe pay their own wages and tax bears and people like me that live on fixed incomes don't have to be taxed out of our homes and lose the money we have worked hard to make? guest: you have worked hard. number one, i cannot comment on the california situation. i just don't know enough about it. reports are that things are starting to turn around a little over there. it's tough to pass a budget if when you have the fiscal majority requirement. second, how we got here, it's not unions. wages for americans have been going down the past 115 years. people are not keeping up with inflation. the average american worker has taken a 2011 pay cut when you compare what they made 10 years ago to what they're making now. -- $200
and the so-called cliff, fiscal cliff, he also wants to deal with raising the debt ceiling which caused so much controversy a year and a half ago. take a listen to the president today. >> if congress in any way suggests they are going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes, and take us to the brink of default once again, as part of a budget negotiation which by the way we have never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game. >> now, republics may not want to include the debt ceiling extension lifting that ceiling in these negotiations because the ceiling doesn't need to be lifted for a couple more months. if they come back next year and deal with that part of this, they might have more leverage as we get closer and closer to that deadline to force the president into more spending cuts than he wants right now, harris. >> harris: well, editor all those americans wondering and watching rights now, 27 days, how close are we. we heard the speaker say he is waiting to hear back from the white house. i would think that would be in the form of a counter offer from
. president obama's initial offer on the fiscal cliff was resoundingly rejected by republicans. it included a $1.6 trillion tax increase, double what he campaigned on. also included $400 billion in entitlement cuts eliminating the need for congressional approval to a raise the debt ceiling. the markets rebounded later in the week following the latest hopes on a fiscal cliff agreement. america's economy grew at a faster pace than initially expected in the third quarter of the year. the second reading of the gross domestic product showed it at rate of 2.7% spurred by stronger inventories and exports. the securities and exchange commission is looking for a new chairman. mary shapirp schapiro announcin she will step down after nearly four years on the job. the obama administration says it will announce a replacement in the near future. >>> starbucks has a new way to spend a lot of money. it is introducing the most expensive blend made from a rare costa rican variety named geisha. it is $7 a cup and only available in 48 stores. if you order one, drink it slowly and enjoy every sip. >>> is the fi
's get to this fiscal cliff. the president set a goal of $4 trillion in debt reduction. are there specific ways of reaching that figure that both of you might agree on? >> well, you know i think one compromise i can agree with democrats on is that we need to cut some military spending. i think the compromise is conservatives like myself who think that national defense is important, should cut on military spending, and cut on some social welfare spending. i think that compromise could get the spending cuts. >> here is the question, both sides are going to have to compromise beyond defense spending. is there anything you see supporting? >> mostly has to be on the spending side. we used to spend 20% of gdp. we're now spending 25% of gdp. federal spending has gone up at an alarming rate in the past four years. and when people say we have to raise taxes on rich people, one there is not enough money and you often find when you get rai to raising rates, you get less revenue. and when you lower rates you get more revenue. >> what do you make of tom cole's proposal that republic
, protect american jobs, and protect the middle class from the fiscal cliff. but without spending cuts and entitlement reforms, it's going to be impossible to address our country's debt crisis. and get our economy going again and to create jobs. so right now, all eyes are on the white house. the country doesn't need a victory lap. it needs leadership. it's time for the president, congressional democrats, to tell the american people what spending cuts they're really willing to make. with that i'll take a few questions. >> speaker boehner, why will you not tell democrats what specific spending cuts you would like to see, especially within en titlements? >> it's been very clear over the last year-and-a-half, i've talked to the president about many of them. you can can look at our budget. where we outline very specific proposals that we passed in last year's budget and the budget from the year before. we know what the menu is. what we don't know is what the white house is willing to do to get serious about solving our debt crisis. >> so your 2011 position still stands then? are you still o
. [ ♪ patriotic music ♪ ] >> stephanie: fiscal cliff let's take the plunge in the l.a. times. the debt will fall social security and medicare will go on unharmed, and we'll go back to tax rates that work better than the current ones. many made a public plea to george w. bush not to enact these tax cuts. they said it would woesen the budget deficit decrease quality, and fail to produce economic growth. well what happened? [ bell chimes ] >> stephanie: exactly that. [ ♪ patriotic music ♪ ] >> stephanie: since then the budget deficit has ballooned, the economy has spiraled into the greatest decline since the great depression history has proved that 450 economists were exactly correct. this could push the american economy off of a fiscal cliff, am i missing something here? can it be such a bad thing. not really said the cbo. if congress extents current policy, the debt and deficit will increase slowing the economy and dramatically increasing interest costs. because of the deal congress and the president made last year it be result in across the board budget reductions, still
moneywatch time now on a thursday. stocks get a boost from fiscal cliff talks and starbucks spills the beans on expensive coffee. ashley morrison is here in new york with more. >> reporter: asian markets got a lift on optimism from debt talks in washington. tokyo's nikkei rose 1% while the hong kong hang seng gained 1%. wall street got a boost from the fiscal cliff talks. dow added 106 points after being down triple digits earlier in the day. nasdaq gained 23 points. the u.s. economy is growing at a steady pace according to the latest report from the federal reserve. the so-called beige book survey shows a pickup in consumer spending and home sales in october and early november. economic growth improved in nine of the 12 federal reserve districts but superstorm sandy hampered growth in the northeast. could the dollar bill be going the way of the doo-doo. a congressional panel is once again calling for the u.s. to stop printing singles and switch entirely to dollar coins. the nonpartisan panel believes it could save taxpayers money. it's more expensive to produce coins but they last about six
, with the european debt crisis looming and that fiscal cliff still unresolved, the robin report's robin lewis thinks many luxury buyers may be holding back this holiday season. >> i think that will cause some cautious spending in the last holiday season, in the last quarter. and if the resolve is made to increase the tax rates of the rich, it will definitely hit the pocketbooks. >> reporter: and there's no doorbusters for luxury players. they're banking on their price premiums and their quality to drive sales. later today, carl, i'll sit down with burberry ceo. we'll talk about all things luxe. >>> straight ahead, why the secret to housing reform might be reforming the fha itself. >>> a little bit laeter, how to play the retailers ahead of this holiday season. "squawk on the street" is coming right back. if you are one of the millions of men who have used androgel 1%, there's big news. presenting androgel 1.62%. both are used to treat men with low testosterone. androgel 1.62% is from the makers of the number one prescribed testosterone replacement therapy. it raises your testosterone levels, and...
and work with both parties to find common ground. solving the fiscal cliff in a manner that addresses the true drivers of our debt and saves american jobs is a great way for the president to start his second term. and for the good of our country, and my colleagues, we're ready to work with the president to achieve those goals. >> mr. speaker, couple things. first, on the issue of tax rates, are you willing to accept no deal that includes some increase in those top tax rates? and i'm also wondering what our final deadline is on this? when do we really have to have a deal? >> increasing tax rates draws money away from our economy that needs to be invested in our economy to put the american people back to work. it's the wrong approach. we're willing to put revenues on the table, but revenues that come from closing loopholes, getting rid of special interest deductions, and not raising rates. we think it's better for the economy. pure and simple. secondly, the american people expect us to find common ground, to work together, and to resolve this. and frankly, sooner is better than later. >
to change to not santa but to the white house. >> jamie: maybe santa will help with the fiscal cliff. >> eric: man, does santa need to help with this one. no proposal, have you heard about this? it deals with the debt limit. the president wants to take congress' power away over that to do it himself. republicans say what? some on wall street, though apparently support it. we'll fill you in. >> jamie: also, the freight train that carried dangerous chemicals and derailed it, literally jumped the tracks. investigators are out there today. they say they may know what contributed to the crash. it really affected residents trying to cope. >> we have the workers coming in. we are asking them questions like what is going on, how is it going, what are we supposed to do? it seems no one knows anything. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] everyone deserves the gift of all day pain relief. this season, discover aleve. all day pain relief with just two pills. >> jamie: stories making headlines this hour, taliban homicide bomber attacking a joint u.s. and afghan base in afghanistan. five afghan seasonals k
the fiscal cliff. the way republicans in congress and the president solved the debt ceiling crisis was to build this cliff, that we're now supposedly dangling off of. they invented this deadline we're up against. the debt ceiling fight was a disaster, and now republicans, surprise, want to have that fight again. "the new york times" reports that one idea bouncing around the right side of the aisle is this. the republicans will extend tax cuts for the middle class, and then when they need to raise the debt ceiling, quote, demand deep concessions on medicare and social security as a price to raise the debt ceiling. one republican senator reportedly called the debt ceiling the line in the stand. the odds are pretty close to zero that we mint a $1 trillion coin in order to pay off some of the debt. but there's striking movement in the direction of changing the rules so we don't ever have to fight over this completely unnecessary issue ever again. remember, this is important. the debt ceiling isn't about incurring future debt. it's about the money congress has already duly authorized an
but we think in order to address the problem both in terms of the fiscal cliff and just as importantly or more importantly the long-term debt path of this country which has direct impact on the health of the economy you have to have basically a three-legged stool. you have to have entitlement reforms. you've got to rein in spending, and you've got to reform the tax code. and what we have --. neil: i see one out of three of those being done right now. you're right. it could change. we don't know what is happening behind closed doors but right now i see a lot of talk about taxes. i don't see much talk about the other two ingredients? >> there is lot of concern about that. a lot of people are talking about entitlement reform an reining in spending. neil: what did they fear? what did you or your colleagues say in meetings with republicans if it is too lopsided in taxes a bad deal is better than no deal? no deal is better than a bad deal? what? >> no. what our message was, in order to get a good deal you have to put something together that will have a marked impact on the economy and on mar
. it will probably end up getting rolled into the broader fight over the fiscal cliff. it is unlikely they will get pay fors. >> ed henry, thank you very much. the super hero versus the dancer. we are both trying to save the nation's debt mess. does allen have me beat? ♪ >>> we could be on the verge of breaking a major log jam in the united states senate. you are looking at harry reid at issue. whether they will allow food in the cafeteria for a special screening of the movie "lincoln." and now our senior capitol hill producer. chad? >> this is interesting. initially there were report these were going to do this screening in the actual senate chamber. that requires a full dispensation of the senate. they don't typically allow the chamber to be used for anything else other than business. there was a big to do when they cleared the chamber to use it for a memorial service to the late robert bird. it was 50 years since they used it for something else. this will be in the congressional auditorium which is underground. we heard harry reid is seeking a waiver to allow food in the auditorium. particular
, protect american jobs and protect the middle class from the fiscal cliff. but without spending cuts and entitlement reform, it will be impossible to address the debt crisis and get our economy going again and create jobs. so right now all eyes are on the white house. the country doesn't need a victory lap. it needs leadership. time for the president, congressional democrats to tell the american people what spending cuts they're really willing to make. with that i'll take a few questions. >> doctor would you not tell democrats what specific spending cuts you would like to see? >> it's been clear over the last year and a half i've talked to the president about many of them. you can look at our budget where we drought line very specific proposals that we passed in last year's budget and the budget in the year before. we know what the menu is. what we don't know is what the white house is willing to do to get serious about solving our debt crisis. >> so your 2011 position still stands then? are you still offering those talks from 2011, is that still a debate is this? i'm not going to ge
up getting past this fiscal cliff by creating another one with the debt ceiling. the best way out -- we passed a bill yesterday on the floor, it passed 98-0. that does not make news. it came out of committee -- a defense authorization bill. you had a majority and minority that work together. all kinds of amendments that were agreed to and voted on. and it passed. that is what we have not been doing. we have had bills come out of both leader offices, airdrop on the floor, that are intended not to pass but to show differences. if we can just go through regular order, things would be just fine. >> they have regular order in the house. >> regular order in the house has not brought compromise. i would like to see things go to regular order. i am a big proponent of allowing them to work -- we do need to recognize that in the era of divided government, where you have one party in control of the white house and another in control of the house, you are going to have a lot of give and take. in that environment, commonplace is essential. if you go through the last campaign, it is not that bi
on how to avoid the fiscal cliff. the president plans to deliver remarks and answer questions during a meeting of a business roundtable. critics say the president will call on business leaders to press lawmakers about raising the debt ceiling. while that is happening we expect to hear from house speaker john boehner any moment right now on the hill for the latest on what's happening on fiscal matters. martha? martha: meanwhile, there are new evacuations that have been ordered in a community where a train carrying toxic chemicals derailed nearly a week ago. 100 families told they have to leave their homes in new jersey near philadelphia. they have to play it safe until the last of the hazard does gas is removed. >> what we'll do we'll pump liquid in that dissolves the vinyl chloride. we'll pump that liquid back out into the highway truck. we have a derailment of hazardous of materials over and in a waterway and a community adjacent to it, right next to it. martha: the rail line is paying for hotel rooms and other expenses for 200 people not able to go home. the families as you can ima
to wonder what he is trying to do. we've got the real problem out there, we've got the fiscal cliff, yes, that's interesting but what is really concerning is hitting that debt ceiling which will probably happen sometime around february. we all remember what that was like in august of 2011 and this group seems to be even less willing to work together now than they were in august of 2011 which really lock rocked markets all over the world. david: the question how do we keep our money safe and you actually have a couple of suggestions one which we already talked about. china, yes it has sloane down and as a result a lot of its market valuations have come down but perhaps if europe is not doing it right, if we're not doing it right with regard to growth straygy perhaps china will. you have fax, aberdeen asia-pacific fund? >> yes. in a bit of irony things really evolved in the markets where you used to have developed economies were great stable economies with good financials. emerging companies have much better looking balance sheets. fax has a great track record over any three-year period. t
to come to an agreement on the debt ceiling or -- and on the fiscal cliff? forget it. >> it was remarkable to see how this happened yesterday. i will read from john stanton's twitter feed our friend from business feed. i was there -- buzzfeed. his presence could push it over the edge. dole was there watching them vote. after he left the floor, he said the republicans very quietly got up, didn't vote from their desk. they got up quietly walked up to vote. he said that was remarkable because nobody wants that video in a commercial of them voting against bob dole, against people with disabilities. >> yeah, senator moran now, i forget his first name from texas who, i'm sorry from kansas jerry moran of kansas. i think he has the bob dole seat. he put out a press release with john mccain praising the treaty when it was first brought to the senate. he voted against it yesterday. these guys are courts and mean and they don't care. they don't care about the disabled either. my point is, again, this is the gang that the president has got to do bu
of santa barbara. caller: we are in california here. we have gone over the fiscal cliff here. we are billions of dollars in debt. democrats and the labor unions are bankrupting this state. so democrat parties are so good why are we bankrupt? don't you think it's time that the unions instead of spending billions of dollars on political campaigns, give that money back to the membership so they can pay their own way? and as taxpayers and people like me that live on a fixed income don't have to be taxed out of our homes and lose the money we work hard to make? host: mr. welch. guest: first of all you have worked hard and -- but a couple things. number one, i can't comment on the california situation. i just don't know enough about it. although the reports are things are starting to turn around a little bit there. and it's very tough to pass a budget when you've got that superis majority requirement. number two -- supermajority requirement. number two, how we got here, it's not unions. the wages for americans have been going down for the past 10, 15 years. people are not keeping up wi
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because jack lou is a principal negotiator in the fiscal cliff talks. he was a negotiator back in the debt limit talks back in the summer of 2011 as well. this is one of the reasons why you might not see the president nominate the treasury secretary and name his economic team for some time maybe until even they get this fiscal cliff mess behind them because if they nominate jack lou that could tie him up for confirmation hearings and they don't want to risk that. >> rose: they have somebody say this to me when i was down in washington for the kennedy honors, if lyndon johnson was president he would have him what the whitehouse and he would lock the doors and say we're not going to left you out until you get a compromise. when the president hears that kind of talk, how does he respond? >> well i tried to push him on that in the interview. it's pretty striking that just the night before speaker boehner had been to the whitehouse for the annual christmas party. they didn't even exchange any pleasantries are, they didn't have a conversation. it shows you also how bad, the bad blood that still
, if we go up the fiscal cliff simpsons are hit the hardest. the taxes go up 9,000%. writers of the simpson, the taxes will skyrocket. this isn't a joke. >> bob: you are right. but this is not going to happen. there is adjustment to social security. real cuts. >> eric: you know what -- >> bob: can i say something? >> eric: you add ornaments to add things. in obama added this little thing the other day. he said i don't want a debt ceiling or bound like it going for it. debt doesn't matter. >> bob: respond to the social security thing. >> eric: obama in october of 2008 before he was president obama. season. >> the way bush has done it, over the last eight years is to take out a credit cardback of china in the game of the children, driving up the national debt. that is irresponsible and unpatriotic. >> eric: unpatriotic. $5 trillion in debt. president obama will add ten, 11, 12 trillion in debt. when he is done with this. >> for years, president obama running when he was senator, running for president always said that the bush tax cuts were only for the rich and only benefit the
with the fiscal cliff and dealing with our debt situation and not have a debt ceiling hanging out there as a diversionary but dangerous issue. but for some reason, inexplicable, the minority leader, the republican leader, changed his mind. now, he said on the floor well, important measures deserve 60 votes, but when he brought it up earlier, he acted as if he was in favor of it, he was offering it. and now, of course, essaying no, he's going to object to his own resolution. i wish he would reconsider. again, playing -- using the debt ceiling as leverage, using the debt ceiling as a threat, using the debt ceiling as a way to achieve a different agenda is dangerous. it's playing with fire. and yet, with the opportunity to take that off the table, reassure the markets, the minority leader blinked. i don't know why. it's hard to figure out the strategy that he's employing, but we would hope on this side of the aisle -- and i think i speak for all of us -- that he would reconsider and perhaps early next week let us vote on his own resolution. i yield the floor. mr. schumer: i notice th
debt? a question i thought was rather significant. >> the word fiscal cliff was never mentioned by candidates or one of the moderators in the debates. every day, we have a countdown. we already elected the guy. it has to be dealt with on its own level by its own party. it is not part of solving the deficit by hitting social security and hurting seniors. it sits by its side. finally, it seems to me and my goofy attitude about life around here, that the sad part -- when you have leaders of both parties throwing out, casting out into the water the bait that says, maybe it would help the democrats if we go off the cliff. the other side, maybe it will help the republicans if we go off the cliff. i will tell you, that is like betting your country. anybody who has that attitude, they are really missing the boat. any government representative that does not realize he or she is an american first, instead of a guy raking it in and sticking the tax code which goes only 20% of the american people, then you have a real problem in america. as long as we are in the throne of grover norquist. >
't let the taxes go up for the middle class and avoid the fiscal cliff. >> first, the fiscal cliff, relative to our nation's spending driven debt crisis is a pothole. you've got 0.3% of all americans that have million dollar incomes. this is a shell game. you can't tax your way out of this problem. i mean, you have revenues that are about the same levels they were five or six years ago, when deficits were running $100, $150 billion. now we know deficits are running $1 to $1.5 trillion. what's changed is on the spending side yet all this discussion is on the tax revenues. you can tax every millionaire 100% and run the government for two or three months. this is a spending driven crisis and it has to be solved on the spending side. until the president gets serious about it, i'm not sure what there is to talk about, soledad. >> i'm not sure that the only conversations have just been on the tax side. i actually think there have been conversations on both. at this moment, right, we're going over or toward the fiscal cliff. if you do nothing, all of our taxes are going up. why not, as a
. and number two, do you believe we're going over the fiscal cliff? what are the implications for our children if we don't get our arms around the zmet redebt? real quick two questions. >> hello? >> maya? maya, are you with me? >> hey, folks. >> unbelievable. two important questions for maya. we're going to get those answers from maya. i really want to get out there what it means for our children because getting our arms around the debt is quite important and whether or not we need to cut medicare. we'll get her answers when we come back. meantime, let's slip in a short break. then we have ranking republican on the senate banking committee, richard shelby in the shohouse. she's goi he's going to be up next on his reaction from the geithner interview. stay with us. busy hour. well, if it isn't mr. margin. mr. margin? don't be modest, bob. you found a better way to pack a bowling ball. that was ups. and who called ups? you did, bob. i just asked a question. it takes a long time to pack a bowling ball. the last guy pitched more ball packers. but you... you consulted ups. you found a better way. t
fiscal cliff. he says consequences will be far worse than last year's debt ceiling fight, when the u.s. credit rating was downgraded for the first time ever. if a deal is not reached, he told our poppy harlow, the ripple effect will be felt worldwide. >> this single issue has a seismic effect on the rest of the world, that we have never been as connected and the domino effect of a bad outcome here will have significant negative consequences, domestically and around the world. >>> take a minute to come over to your tv, if you can. penn state has another pr problem on its hands this morning. the university's kai omega sorority is being investigated for stereotyping latinos after a picture showed up on the site tumblr. the photo showed sorority members wearing fake mustaches and dressed in somberos while holding signs that say, "i don't cut grass, i smoke it." the president of the chapter has apologized. is that enough, soledad? >> ladies, as your multi-ethnic friend, let me help you. help me help you. no dressing up as any stereotypical figures. just stop. call a friend. get advice. do
-called fiscal cliff. the president has set a goal. $4 trillion in debt reduction over the next decade. are there any specific ways of reaching that figure that both of you might agree on? >> well, you know, one compromise i can agree with democrats on, we need to cut military spending. so i think the compromise is conservatives like myself who think national defense is very important should compromise on military spending and liberals should compromise on entitlements and social welfare spending, that compromise should get to spending cuts. >> here is the question, though. both sides are going to have to compromise, beyond defense spending, any other compromise you could see you supporting? >> mostly has to be to me on the spending side. we used to spend about 20% of gdp. now spending 25% of gdp. federal spending has gone up at an alarming rate in the last four years. people come to me and said say we have to raise taxes on rich people. one there, is not enough money. two, when you raise rates, you get less revenue. sometimes you find when you lower rates, you get more revenue. >> wha
prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. >> alan simpson co-chair of the president's debt commission, says both sides are making a high stakes gamble. >> when you have leaders of parties and people of the administration saying, i think it will be to the advantage of the democrats to go off the cliff, i think it will be advantage to the republicans to go off the cliff, or the president to go off the cliff, that's like betting your country. there's stupidity involved in that. >>> syria on the bring. secretary of state hillary clinton holds emergency talks with russia as u.s. officials confirm reports that the syrian military is prepared to launch chemical weapons against its own people. >> we've made it very clear what our position is with respect to chemical weapons and i think we will discuss that and many other aspects. >> the whole world is watching. the whole world is watching very closely. and the president of the united states has made very clear that there will be consequences. >> plus, sharp criticism from afghan president karzai. the exclusive nbc interview. why he
people are watching is if they blow up fiscal cliff, if we go over, if this is chaos, if they punt, if it's a small deal, it's going to be a sign that we're not going to get the deficit reduction that we need. >> and that's the challenge for the president. because, yes, he does have all the leverage. we talked about that. he won the election of course. but this is a test of leadership, and the american public does not want to go over that cliff because, by the way, they want the tax cut for the middle class to remain in place. that's the ultimate cliff there and the bottom line is we don't want those to expire. gwen: as we approach it we begin to try to read the tea leaves. he brings the c.e.o.'s to the white house and they had the goldman sachsco guy saying i'm pretty optimistic we'll come up with a deal. and others think we'll good over the cliff. what do we read into that? >> there's a rule that denny has earth enunciated and people are outraged. it's a majority institution. the speaker is not going to put something on the floor that doesn't get a majority of the majority. if john byne
on a bipartisan basis from congress. the president has an obligation to steer us away from the fiscal cliff and to tackle our $16 trillion debt that is driven by runaway entitlement programs. we have seen an utter lack of leadership from president obama and his allies on the left have shown very little to no willingness to tackle real structural entitlement reform. there is no manner of tax hike that can save medicare or medicaid. these programs can only be fixed with real reforms. some on the left say tinkering around the edges of medicare and medicaid would be enough, or that the health law is in touch and a perform. they argue we do not need to examine the structural problems. make no mistake about it then been shoring up medicare and medicaid will not be easy. the situation has become so severe, it is the only responsible course to take them back in just over a decade medicare will be bankrupt. medicare beneficiaries receive $3 in benefits for every $1 they pay into the system. that is while 10,000 more americans join this program every day. the number of workers supporting it has decli
has an obligation to steer us away from the fiscal cliff and to tackle our $16 trillion debt that is driven by runaway entitlement programs. we have seen an utter lack of leadership from president obama and his allies on the left have shown very little to no willingness to tackle real structural entitlement reform. there is no manner of tax hike that can save medicare or medicaid. these programs can only be fixed with real reforms. some on the left say tinkering around the edges of medicare and medicaid would be enough, or that the healthcare law is entitlement reform. they argue we do not need to examine the structural problems. make no mistake about it. shoring up medicare and medicaid will not be easy. the situation has become so severe, it is the only responsible course to take. in just over a decade medicare will be bankrupt. medicare beneficiaries receive $3 in benefits for every $1 they pay into the system. that is while 10,000 more americans join this program every day. the number of workers supporting it has declined by over 18% over the last decade. the average fami
for the middle class. >>heather: thank you. >>gregg: from the fiscal cliff to will i don'ting the debt ceiling speaker boehner disagreeing with president obama under the white house proposal. the president would have the power to raise the debt limit on his own, whenever he wants, as needed. speaker boehner saying congress isn't budging on that issue and here is what he had to say on fox news sunday. >> congress will never give up the power and i made it clear to the president that when we get to the debt limit we need to cut some reforms that are greater than the increase in the debt limit. it is the only way to leverage the political process to produce more change than if left alone. >>gregg: you can see more of the remarks on "fox news sunday" at the top of the hour. >> extreme weather on the west coast flood advisories in effect for storm ravaged parts of northern california as another storm bringing heavy rain and police and fire officials wanting the napa and russian rivers expected to break their banks. and now, streaming live from northern california. >>reporter: yes, the banks are abo
these fiscal cliff developments. he is here with tonight's wrap- up. >> reporter: an knit tax you are right, the president and the speaker got on the phone but as if to signal the lack of progress the house got out of town. the republican controlled house left town wednesday saying it has nothing to do. >> we need a response from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. >> reporter: the president's treasury secretary said there's no room for negotiation on its demand for tax rate hikes for top income earners. >> is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. there's no prospect for an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest members. >> reporter: republicans insist they can get the revenue without increasing tax rates. >> the revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess who, the rich. >> reporter: but the president says that won't work. >> it is not possible for us to raise the amount of revenue that's required for a balanced package if all you are relying on is closing deduct
revenue, this fiscal cliff issue much larger. talks about the debt ceiling and what that means for next year. treasury saying that sometime early next year they will run out of those extraordinary measures and the u.s. will have to raise the debt ceiling or default. back to you. ashley: very good point. rich edson in d.c. thanks very much. tracy: our next guest says, forget taxes. washington needs to focus on cutting entitlement spending if we want to prevent a battle between old and young americans. diana further got roth, senior fellow at man hat taken institute and joins us now. diana, seems to me raising the retirement age is the simplest thing you could do yet we're not talking about that. >> well, we certainly should be because part of the deficit problem, a great part, is entitlements, social security and medicare, keep adding fiscal burdens as people's live expectancy increases and it's great that people are living longer but when social security was first thought of the life expectancy was only 67. now it is around 85. we need to raise retirement ages or somehow thinking about
on encouraging news from washington on the "fiscal cliff" issue. ashley morrison of cbsmoneywatch.com joins us. good morning, ashley. >> reporter: good morning, to you, frank and michelle. asian markets got a lift this morning on growing optimism from debt talks in washington. tokyo's nikkei rose 1% while hong kong's hang seng also gained about 1%. the improvingometer mitchell on the "fiscal cliff" gave wall street a boost, as well. the dow added 106 points after being down triple digits earlier in the day. while the nasdaq was up 23. >> could the dollar bill be going out of style? a congressional panel is once again calling for the u.s. to stop printing singles and switch entire to dollar coins. the nonpartisan panel believes the switch could save taxpayers money. it is more expensive to produce the coins but they last about 6 types longer than the paper bills. i don't know. it's going to make my bag heavier for sure. >> that's what i was thinking. my purse is already heavy. >> got four bucks? let me see it here. >> ashley, from time to time frank will go and make a starbucks run for us but i
his pitch for the fiscal cliff. when will the rhetoric give way to a real action on our debt crisis. juan williams on when a deal can happen. melissa: how would you like to pay more at the pump? we have the new talk about raising the gas tax. what a great idea. lori: i love paying over four dollars a gallon. washington not the only one that cannot get a deal done. entering day 76. its small business that is really on then ice. melissa: time now for stocks as we do every 15 minutes. lauren simonetti. washington is playing politics over the fiscal cliff. we are near session lows right now. >> 11 points away from session lows. the dow is clinging onto that level right now. consumer discretionary is your best performing sector this month. it is lower today, as is technology. the s&p 500 trying to hang onto a monthly gain. not sure if we can do it. certainly higher for the week and nasdaq higher for the both of them. a two-day chart of yelled is really interesting. they expect fourth-quarter sales in china to decline. lots of analysts cutting this stuff today. melissa: lauren, thank you
let's talk about the fiscal cliff. to use the words of john boehner, i'm flabbergasted. >> nowhere period. we're nowhere. i'm flabbergasted. he can't be serious. i'm serious about our debt. >> cenk: i can't wait to get serious on john bainer when we come back. and later in the program the elbow of the day who 12 on? guess at @tytoncurrent. this corruption based on corruption based on corruption. >>i think that's an understatement, eliot. u>> i'm not prone tot. understatement, so explain to me why that is. i think the mob learned from wall st., not vice versa. [ male announcer ] lifts to clear obstacles. ♪ ♪ lowers to cut drag. rises to every challenge. the class exclusive air suspension in the new 2013 ram 1500. engineered to move heaven and earth. guts. glory. ram. (vo) now, it's your turn. (vo) connect with the young turks with cenk uygur. >> it's go time. >> cenk: some had hopes that in a second term president obama would be more progressive because he wouldn't have to face re-election. i thought that was very unlikely. color me surprised. because it turns out pre
for the fiscal cliff, for the greek debt buyback to go through on thursday. >>> the european markets are closing now. >> so no great direction in the markets today. it is interesting, i think, both angela merkel attended today her party conference, the cdu, the christian democrats, conservatives, she launched her campaign to run germany for a third time. the election is in the third quarter of next year. she actually warned against premature optimism over the crisis saying the worst is not over and we must be cautious going forward. now to a certain extent she would say that, would she not? otherwise we're not out of the woods. keep me in charge. but that was the message that came out of germany today. elsewhere as we kind of wait for things to happen, it's interesting the bond markets continue to rally. we were talking about this yesterday that greece has priced the debt buyback where it has. it will be more generous and next week they're likely to get their money from the rest of the european union. taking some of those concerns back out of the market so, again, today the spanish bond market r
consequence of this and by this i mean going over the fiscal cliff will be significant , but what i don't %-effort, either self delusion r misrepresentation of the facts. you all, as republicans control the house of representatives. as we saw during the debt ceiling discussions in 2011, it is not a pretty perch from which to take on the bully pulpit of the presidency. >> but i think what we need to do is not get caught ii the trap of the compromise is raising taxes. i think there are many other compromises you could have. for example, i think one compromises we could save some money and military spending even though i think that is the most important -- lou: 55 billion? >> absolutely. i think we could..3 a think we could also say that,3 you know what, the ridge could pay more for their medicare. the rich could receive less for their social security. those are compromises i presented directly to the president a year-and-a-half ago, and he has done zero. his party has done zero. they are hell bent on let's go soak there race. lou: with all respect, have you had this discussion with your p
into a devastating recession. i mean, david said it well in his piece this morning. if you think the fiscal cliff is a problem, this kind of hostage taking around the debt ceiling is multiples of that and the president is, i think, very correct to stand extremely firm and be extremely clear that he's not going to play that game. >> karen, the politics of this are frightening for the republicans. the latest polling does not support their stance. and given that they spent four years obstructing this president and failed, why do it again from the outset of his second term? >> well, you know, there's good news for the republicans, martin. karl rove's group, crossroads gps is going to spend some money for some ads, and we know that's a successful strategy in convincing the american people. >> that's good news. >> i can't pass that chance up to do that. >> i understand. >> i think part of what's so important about the polling, we talked about this on monday and the quinnipiac polling you were showing, the republicans have had time to make their arguments and it's not working. more people are moving tow
. this is a product of what our negotiations were last year from the debt ceiling. how did we get to the fiscal cliff, it's not only the tax increase from the affordable care act that started january 1st, it happened in the last lame duck punted into this one and the last summer budget negotiation punted into this one. we'll get real cuts equal to what we're doing in debt ceiling increase and if we want to resolve that the best time is right now because we have another debt ceiling increase coming. >> you've told "the new york times" you think your party is boxed in. i want to read from "washington times" "republican leaders struggled tuesday to contain the backlash from conservatives of the gop's offer of $800 billion in tax increases to head off the fiscal cliff, a move that didn't impress the white house even as it spawned a rebellion on the right." so are republicans going to have to give on raising rates? >> no. we're not, because where the president is focused in on is the affordable care act taxes they increase january the 1st on people making $200,000 or more. the president wants a rate incre
're worried about what happens if we go over the fiscal cliff. play out the scenario for how things would go down if we actually do move past january 1 without an agreement. >> if you get lots of economist projections, you'll see the general view is the economy would have negative growth or a couple percentage points, whatever it is. near term recession impact. and that nt would be good to the economy because it's been moving its way out. what's really after people is will we be serious about fixing the long term problems of america's fiscal situation. basically having more revenue and less expenses so we can get the thing more if line. and that's pre-occupying people because they're worried about the longer term issue. if this doesn't move forward with a solution that actually starts to layout the ground work for the long term issues, it could be potentially disappointing. >> ceos say they have to lay out their plans for what they're planning on doing in january and they have to move forward with the plan that has an assumption that we don't get some sort of a solution. do you hear that fro
with the fiscal cliff that obama designed? this is obama's fiscal cliff. if the republicans cave, we'll have a fiscal cliff in about three or four years that's going to be the grand canyon. we're going to go collapsing. it's going to be awful. >> sean: i agree with you. >> we got to fight like william wallace in "brave heart." fight for america. we can win it in the next 30 days. >> sean: i'm with you. leslie, seriously, why can't we have some significant spending cuts now? the president, first of all, said he only wanted $800 billion when he was running, now he's doubled it, but there's no cuts. government can't find waste, fraud, abuse, cut back on their intoxication and power grab with spending? >> i agree that medicare is one program that has a lot of fraud. quite frankly the president has been very clear that they're going to be -- >> sean: when? when? >> democrats and republicans will have to suck it up. when you guys call caving in, i call compromise. >> sean: republicans compromise, cave, and -- >> we're not violating the tax pledge if we let something expire at the end of the year.
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